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Excellent recap of what is happening to us! by Bernie
It's Tax Day -- Let's party like we work for GSA!
I consider myself a reasonably smart human being, but no matter how much I read about this government and how f'd up it is no one seams to have the answers. Can anyone tell me what else I can do, as a hard working American who is sick to his stomach, besides vote, because that isn't enough. I know the problem, tell me the answer. My thought is it will take someone with the biggest set of balls known to mankind to clean house. Looking for some answers, and I am all ears by Joseph Bullyan
It's Tax Day -- Let's party like we work for GSA!
And we wonder why our budget is out of control?!!? OMG!!!! We are to blame though - we keep electing the same members to the most exclusive country club in the world! They are exempt from most laws, get everything paid for by the taxpayer and are set for life - while we just keep struggling to pay them for that luxury!Worse, our two presidential candidates will raise over half a BILLION Dollars to convince us to vote for them! Actually worse - we'll contribute to them and elect them!Shame on us ... by Bernie
Australia, Europe, China . . . . pick two!
It would be interesting to know what the Board members that didn't vote yes on going into China thought and are they RV mfg. or suppliers? If any of them are suppliers they must have all their products made there already! by Tony
Australia, Europe, China . . . . pick two!
As a follow-up on this discussion, there was a very interesting article in the Washington Post last week and it was reprinted in the Boston Sunday Globe this past weekend. The article is titled: "China may buy only domestic cars for official use." You can read the article at: http://b.globe.com/GTIu6A Many of the comments at the Post and Globe indicate that there is nothing wrong with a country doing this - and I agree with them. We do the same thing here in America at the federal and state ... by Bob Zagami
Australia, Europe, China . . . . pick two!
As always, Bob has done his homework and presents a great editorial. I just can't see any benefit to having anything to do with The "China" Connection. I can't think of any Industry that has actually "benefited" it's American workers by joining with China.An American purchaser of an RV has multiple choices of types, options and price already! Why add an Asian Product to that mix - that will only hurt American made products - as it always has in the past. High tech products are mass produced and ... by Bernie
Australia, Europe, China . . . . pick two!
Bob, you’re right on!

The Chinese government cannot be trusted and they abuse their people terribly. If an RV manufacture decides to “dance” with a partner in China, it will be the fire dance, and it won’t be China that gets burned!
by Barry Hughes
The Chinese even knock off websites
I don't see a major problem with it.I just type the name then hit Ctrl & Enter and it goes to the dot com.Can not see why I would even type dot com then dot cn. by Wayne
The Chinese even knock off websites
This trick happens in all countries. Not limitied to China. It's cyber siting and tech it is illegal but that doesn't stop anyone from doing it.

If you are building a "brand" you often want to buy every version of your domain. Because even if you can get all of those domains back with the law from the people sitting on them it is just safer to own them all up front if you can.

by Aaron
Australia, Europe, China . . . . pick two!
Point of clarification from Jim this morning, the China Committee vote was unanimous but the Board of Directors vote was not.

Also, the sentence in the third pargraph from the bottom should have read, "We will continue to monitor China, not to prove somebody wrong, but to honestly report the information we get on the abuses we expect to see despite the best laid plans of RVIA." by Bob Zagami
 

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Tuesday, January 31, 2012
Sniveling slackers leave me smokin'
By Greg Gerber @ 12:41 PM :: :: 4 Comments :: Article Rating
 

I have worked with slackers at every job I've ever held. You know the type. The whiners who complain they have too much to do, yet find 10 minutes an hour for a smoke break, another 10 minutes to go to the bathroom, another 10 minutes to chat with someone in the next office or cubicle, and another 10 minutes on the phone talking to their spouse, special friend or child.

I have always worked best in an environment where the boss says, "Take me from Point A to Point B and do it within these budget parameters," be it a budget of time or money. Then, if he gives me a long leash, I am usually able to deliver quality results on time and under budget.

That's why I love the idea of flat-rate pay for RV service technicians. Eagles who can soar on their own with head-down, single focus efficiency through a project can often make hay when payday rolls around. If they are told the "average" amount of time it takes to complete a repair is X minutes, their competitive spirit usually ensures they have it done in X-20, so they can move on to the next repair.

At the end of the week, they have probably one to five additional repairs than the "average" technician. That leaves their pockets a little heavier on the way home from the bank. I have heard that some top quality technicians working under a flat rate system can make $80,000 per year or more.

Not everyone can do this. It takes undivided attention, training (often at the technician's own time and expense) and determination to do a quality job right the first time.

I had to laugh yesterday when I read the story about some flat-rate service technicians in Texas and Oklahoma who were suing their RV dealership for overtime pay.  You can read the story by clicking here.

According to an article appearing in the Southeast Texas Record, "The employees state that they were not paid for all hours worked at their regular rate of pay and for all hours worked in excess of 40 in a work week at one and one-half times their regular rate.

"According to the complaint, the defendant would estimate the number of hours they believed it should take the piece work employees to complete a particular job and then would only pay the employees for that amount of time or less. The plaintiffs claim the amount of time paid was arbitrary and had no relationship to the amount charged to the customer."

Boy, would I like to be on that jury.

The RV Dealers Association publishes a book called the Service Management Guide. Written by a committee consisting of some of the nation's best master certified RV technicians, the guide estimates the amount of time it should take for an average, trained technician to complete a repair job. The purpose of the book is to help dealers provide better estimates for repair work when dealing with customers.

Funny thing about customers. They prefer to receive a qualified estimate for repair work rather than be told the clock is running and we'll call you when the work is done.

According to the RVDA, the guide "represents years of research and experience in the entire range of RV service departments in large, medium, and small dealerships, as well as in separate parts and service centers." The guide provides "reasonable guidance on the hours it should take competent technicians to perform assigned service operations or tasks."

If McClains RV was following the tenants of this manual, and the technicians running to a lawyer seeking money they didn't earn couldn't consistently complete the work within the estimated time frame -- then, according to the guide, there is only one conclusion to make. The employees are incompetent -- or slackers. Take your pick.

I am sure there are situations where dealers make up their own timeframes in an attempt to cheat the system and steal money from their customers or their employees. But, I can't see someone of the caliber of Nate McClain attempting to pull a fast one on his staff, or customers for that matter.

Here's what I think. If this case had any merit whatsoever, the departments of labor in Texas or Oklahoma would have come down on the dealership like a duck on a junebug. I have noticed that state governments don't take kindly to employers who rip off their employees.

But, since the states apparently don't think anything is illegal in the flat rate pay plan, the sniveling slackers ran to an attorney to push their case in court. I certainly hope the attorney charges them by the hour, and not a flat rate for the job.

 

 

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Doug Rainer
# Doug Rainer
Tuesday, January 31, 2012 5:21 PM
Greg, I work in DFW as a Master Certified technician with 32 years at the same dealership. I KNOW some of the practices at McClains as I have talked to current and former Techs that worked there in the DFW stores. The Complaint the local techs had and the reason they quit when another job came up was simple. The Service Advisor was estimating jobs at a specific hour time and then the Dealership was paying the Flat rate time in less hours. For instance, they would quote the customer a job at 3 hour flat rate time and then the job was sold. The job was dispatched to the technician but the tech was then paid only 2 hours of the 3 hours sold. I believe THAT is part of the basis for the lawsuit. And, THAT practice is a ripoff for the Technician and has nothing to do with whining or complaining but fairness. Doug
William Robinson, Jr.
# William Robinson, Jr.
Tuesday, January 31, 2012 6:51 PM
Greg, do I understand you to say that you have worked under a flat rate system? If not, you know not of what you speak. When I worked it as one of the 1st certified techs in NH, if you didn't have a "special" relationship w/the service writer, you got stuck w/all of the crap jobs that you could not possibly do w/in said time, while those on the good guy list would get the gravy. I have read Dougs comments on other forums, and he's a pretty sharp dude. Listen to what he says. On another note, I usually agree w/your editorials. Robbie.... 30 years of NON flat rate DoD nuke submarine repair work, and flat rate grunt work in the Marine Corps - Viet Nam.
Aaron
# Aaron
Wednesday, February 01, 2012 3:52 PM
Also there are state rules on pay. In most states a tech can not be paid on commission and the flat rate you discribe is commission. Our dealership uses a flat rate system that depending on how many hours are "collectable" they get paid more per hour. But there is a minimum they get paid per hour regardless.

That way they are paid for the 6 hours they worked on it even if only 3 was collectable. They would have 50% collectablility on that job. The hope is by the end of the week that techs are close to or above 100%.
RV Guy
# RV Guy
Thursday, February 02, 2012 5:12 PM
Not sure how that particular shop established the "flat rate time" required for a job, but I found that it was in the best interests of the company, the customer, and the good technicians in my shop. The ones who had "be-backs" for further repairs or who were too slow to do the work in the first place didn't like it. If done fairly the system does give a bonus to the best techs who do the work quickly and right the first time. Rightly so. Even electrical repairs can be done on flat rates. We won some, we lost some, but overall the shop profits went up, the best techs had "raises" via the bonus, and customers were happy knowing the final bill before the job was done. Well, it did cost me (or the service writer, or service mgr in some shops) more time to set it up, but it paid off.

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