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Excellent recap of what is happening to us! by Bernie
It's Tax Day -- Let's party like we work for GSA!
I consider myself a reasonably smart human being, but no matter how much I read about this government and how f'd up it is no one seams to have the answers. Can anyone tell me what else I can do, as a hard working American who is sick to his stomach, besides vote, because that isn't enough. I know the problem, tell me the answer. My thought is it will take someone with the biggest set of balls known to mankind to clean house. Looking for some answers, and I am all ears by Joseph Bullyan
It's Tax Day -- Let's party like we work for GSA!
And we wonder why our budget is out of control?!!? OMG!!!! We are to blame though - we keep electing the same members to the most exclusive country club in the world! They are exempt from most laws, get everything paid for by the taxpayer and are set for life - while we just keep struggling to pay them for that luxury!Worse, our two presidential candidates will raise over half a BILLION Dollars to convince us to vote for them! Actually worse - we'll contribute to them and elect them!Shame on us ... by Bernie
Australia, Europe, China . . . . pick two!
It would be interesting to know what the Board members that didn't vote yes on going into China thought and are they RV mfg. or suppliers? If any of them are suppliers they must have all their products made there already! by Tony
Australia, Europe, China . . . . pick two!
As a follow-up on this discussion, there was a very interesting article in the Washington Post last week and it was reprinted in the Boston Sunday Globe this past weekend. The article is titled: "China may buy only domestic cars for official use." You can read the article at: http://b.globe.com/GTIu6A Many of the comments at the Post and Globe indicate that there is nothing wrong with a country doing this - and I agree with them. We do the same thing here in America at the federal and state ... by Bob Zagami
Australia, Europe, China . . . . pick two!
As always, Bob has done his homework and presents a great editorial. I just can't see any benefit to having anything to do with The "China" Connection. I can't think of any Industry that has actually "benefited" it's American workers by joining with China.An American purchaser of an RV has multiple choices of types, options and price already! Why add an Asian Product to that mix - that will only hurt American made products - as it always has in the past. High tech products are mass produced and ... by Bernie
Australia, Europe, China . . . . pick two!
Bob, you’re right on!

The Chinese government cannot be trusted and they abuse their people terribly. If an RV manufacture decides to “dance” with a partner in China, it will be the fire dance, and it won’t be China that gets burned!
by Barry Hughes
The Chinese even knock off websites
I don't see a major problem with it.I just type the name then hit Ctrl & Enter and it goes to the dot com.Can not see why I would even type dot com then dot cn. by Wayne
The Chinese even knock off websites
This trick happens in all countries. Not limitied to China. It's cyber siting and tech it is illegal but that doesn't stop anyone from doing it.

If you are building a "brand" you often want to buy every version of your domain. Because even if you can get all of those domains back with the law from the people sitting on them it is just safer to own them all up front if you can.

by Aaron
Australia, Europe, China . . . . pick two!
Point of clarification from Jim this morning, the China Committee vote was unanimous but the Board of Directors vote was not.

Also, the sentence in the third pargraph from the bottom should have read, "We will continue to monitor China, not to prove somebody wrong, but to honestly report the information we get on the abuses we expect to see despite the best laid plans of RVIA." by Bob Zagami
 

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Tuesday, January 03, 2012
This is not the best way to start a new year
By Greg Gerber @ 8:19 PM :: :: 6 Comments :: Article Rating
 

News today that Carriage RV will not reopen and that its assets will be auctioned Feb. 9 is another black eye for the RV industry, a hit to the gut to RV dealers and another serious irritation to thousands of RV owners.

By now, I would think banks would understand it is much easier and better for them in the long-term to actually cooperate with borrowers than it is to force them into quick default and bankruptcy. But, now that customers are nothing more than account numbers, it’s much easier for bankers to rationalize that they aren't dealing with real people.

Perhaps the banks now used by former Carriage employees will be empathetic to their situations and cut them some slack on their own loans and credit card payments. But, I won't hold my breath.

I am beginning to suspect that the public universities which pump out bankers by the thousands each year are training students that it is somehow better on the bank's bottom line to accept pennies on the dollar today rather than work with customers to get the full dollar -- plus interest -- a year or two later.

Carriage has always impressed me as a great company with great products. I spent lots of time talking with CEO Glenn Cushman at his company's dealer meetings a few years ago. He seemed to be a genuine guy who took pride in his products and the way he worked with his dealers. His support staff couldn't talk up the company -- or Cushman – fast enough, even though many of them now work for competitors.

It will be interesting to watch how the auction unfolds next month. We'll see if some of these companies who expressed interest in "helping" Carriage out of its dilemma with the bank will now help themselves to the company’s goodies at fire sale prices.

As much as I love the RV industry, it's this kind of underhanded, back-room shenanigans where key people look out for their own best interests without considering the needs or interests of others that often makes me want to puke.

I certainly hope the Carriage debacle isn't an omen of what's to come for the rest of the industry in 2012. Otherwise, I'll be taking down my wall calendar depicting scenic places to which I'd love to take an RV, and replacing it with a Mayan calendar so I can count down the days until doomsday.

 

 

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Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:19 PM
As always, Greg is right on the money - or lack of it for Carriage! Carriage built beautiful RV's, but the banks only care about themselves. Someday, the banks will have only themselves to thank when we all start defaulting. We need small businesses to continue and come back to America - not be closed by greedy bankers
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Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:19 PM
Greg, I don't know the bank or circumstances involved here, however, banks also have 2 groups to answer to as well.<br /><br />1. Their Stockholders. Whether these stockholders are the management of the bank or if this bank is a public company, without the circumstances of the creditors seizure of these assets, we don't know if this was the only course.<br />2. Regulators. As a former banker, I know that disposition of troubled assets are many times outside the control of the bank management. Remember that this country was pretty upset that the regulators did not call out the banking industry when loans on their books started to turn sour.<br /><br />Again, I am not coming down on the bank side. I am just saying we need more info to make a judgement.
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Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:19 PM
It's pretty plain to anyone that can see the banks have another source of income without relying on their own resources. The bank bailout amounts to 16 trillion dollars from what I've been able to figure out. Far more than our total national debit. CBS 60 Minutes recently did a segment on Cleveland's problems with banks - first foreclosing on the owners without any attempt at renegotiating the loan. Then the banks walk away from the properties without taking ownership and leave them for the thugs to strip clean. That leaves the properties worthless, destroying the neighborhoods leaving the shells to be torn down by the city at taxpayer's expense which costs $8000 apiece. Cleveland torn down 1000 last year with 20,000 more to go. The banksters and wallstreet should be in jail. We need stronger regulations and regulators with clot to keep these crooks in line.
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Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:19 PM
It's pretty plain to anyone that can see the banks have another source of income without relying on their own resources. The bank bailout amounts to 16 trillion dollars from what I've been able to figure out. Far more than our total national debit. CBS 60 Minutes recently did a segment on Cleveland's problems with banks - first foreclosing on the owners without any attempt at renegotiating the loan. Then the banks walk away from the properties without taking ownership and leave them for the thugs to strip clean. That leaves the properties worthless, destroying the neighborhoods leaving the shells to be torn down by the city at taxpayer's expense which costs $8000 apiece. Cleveland tore down 1000 last year with 20,000 more to go. The banksters and wallstreet should be in jail. We need stronger regulations and regulators with clot to keep these crooks in line.
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Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:19 PM
I don't know Greg. The banks are in business to make a profit just like us in the RV business. If I have a customer that bounce's checks or does not pay, I don't continue to do work for them. If one of your advertisers couldn't pay their bill, would you keep running their add for them? I kind of doubt it. I don't think it is a black eye for the industry, it's just business which today is survival of the fittest. I feel for the employees, dealers and orphaned owners but that is not the banks responsibility. JMHO
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Tuesday, January 03, 2012 8:19 PM
What if they held an auction and nobody came? I'd like to see PNC left holding the bag here for their unprofessional treatment of Carriage and the damage they have done to the employees, suppliers, and dedicated dealers. This is indeed a sad day for the RV industry when an excellent company with a strong roots and great products, is forced out of business at the hands of a bank with lots of educated imbeciles and not an ounce of common sense.

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